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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCorrespondenceDave Argo From: Dave Argo Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:54 PM To: Patrick Waller Cc: Ikrol@garfield-county.com; Andy Schwaller (aschwaller@garfield-county.com); Glenn Hartmann Subject: ADUs in Coryell Ranch...is this OK? Hey Patrick: I've got a building permit from August Teague (Harry's son, I presume) and his plans include a "Guest Quarters" that is totally separated from the primary residence — in fact, it's actually located on the opposite side of a 3 -car attached garage with its own separate exterior entrance. Other info FYI: Lot size = 2.001 and Parcel ID No. is 239329102024. I haven't found anything on the Plat that would indicate it's a problem, but I also know that Coryell Ranch is Aspen Glen's first cousin and ADUs are definitely a no -no there. Can you please take a closer look and let me know if you see any problems with inclusion of an ADU at Coryell Ranch. At a minimum, he needs to provide us with a building permit for the ADU, but I'd like for you to let me know if there's a bigger issue here. Thanks for your assistance! Dave Argo Plans Examiner Garfield Cauno Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com Dave Argo From: Patrick Waller Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:10 PM To: Dave Argo Cc: Lindsay Krol; Andy Schwaller; Glenn Hartmann Subject: RE: ADUs in Coryell Ranch...is this OK? Hey Dave, Thanks for the question. I have dug into this research previously. Long story short Accessory Dwelling Units are not permitted within Coryell Ranch. There has been some previous discussion regarding "guest/caretakers quarters" (an term that a previous Land Use Code used), but the allowance of those uses was explicitly removed from the PUD zoning as part of the approval process as well. We met with some representatives from the HOA a while back and laid out the process they would need to go through for an amendment to the PUD, but haven't heard from them in quite a while. From my perspective, he has the option to go through the PUD Amendment process (a heavy lift for one property owner with no guarantee of approval) or to amend his plans to demonstrate to the Building side that there is no separate dwelling unit on the property. Let me know if I can help with anything else, Patrick Waller, AICP Senior Planner Garfield County Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 (970) 945-1377 ext. 1580 pwaller@ arfield-countv.com http://www.garfield-countv.comicommunity-deveiopment/ Garfield County COVID-19 Awareness Community support saves lives Garfield County: www.garfield-countv.com Garfield County Public Health: www.garfield-countv.com/public-health/novel-caronavirus/ COVID-19 updates: www.garfieldcounty•net - please subscribe at upper right. Register for Garfield County Emergency Notification System: www.garca911.com COVID-19 help hotlines: Aspen to Parachute COVID-19 community hotline 970-429-6186 (English en Espanol) Garfield County Public Health call line: 970-945-1377, ext. 8120 (English en Espanol) CO -HELP 1-877-462-2911 or COHELP@RMPDC.org (multiple languages) From: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:54 PM To: Patrick Waller <pwaller@garfield-county.com> Cc: Lindsay Krol <Ikrol(agarfield-county.com>; Andy Schwdller <dscliwdller @garfield-county.com>; Glenn I Iartmann <ghartmann@garfield-county.com> Subject: ADUs in Coryell Ranch...is this OK? Hey Patrick: I've got a building permit from August Teague (Harry's son, I presume) and his plans include a "Guest Quarters" that is totally separated from the primary residence — in fact, it's actually located on the opposite side of a 3 -car attached garage with its own separate exterior entrance. Other info FYI: Lot size = 2.001 and Parcel ID No. is 239329102024. I haven't found anything on the Plat that would indicate it's a problem, but I also know that Coryell Ranch is Aspen Glen's first cousin and ADUs are definitely a no -no there. Can you please take a closer look and let me know if you see any problems with inclusion of an ADU at Coryell Ranch. At a minimum, he needs to provide us with a building permit for the ADU, but I'd like for you to let me know if there's a bigger issue here. Thanks for your assistance! Dave Argo Plans Examiner leGarfield County Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com 2 Dave Argo From: Dave Argo Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 11:33 AM To: teagueam@me.com; Wade Livingston Cc: Patrick Waller Subject: Coryell Ranch, Lot 24 - Permit #BLRE-08-20-6458 August: The Building Dept. has reviewed your plans for a new residence to be located at Coryell Ranch, but unfortunately we cannot approve plans as submitted to our office because of the inclusion of Guest Quarters (or "Accessory Dwelling Unit" as per Garfield County Land Use Code) which is shown on the opposite side of the attached garage from the main residence. For clarification about this matter, we referred it to Patrick Waller, a Senior Planner in our Planning Dept. Please refer to Patrick's email response to me — as copied below my signature line — wherein he states that ADUs (including "guest/caretakers quarters") are specifically not allowed in Coryell Ranch PUD. Based on this explanation, I would suggest that you either contact Patrick directly — who I have also copied on this email — and/or your HOA/DRC. Based on those follow-up conversations and depending upon your preference, the Building Dept. will need to see either: (a) revised plans without an ADU/guest quarters, or (b) you will need to otherwise obtain approvals for this ADU from Garfield County's Planning Dept. before we can approve for building permit. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause, and thank you for your attention in getting this issue resolved. Dave Argo Plans Examiner Guafield County Building Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com Hey Dave, Thanks for the question. I have dug into this research previously. Long story short, Accessory Dwelling Units are not permitted within Coryell Ranch. There has been some previous discussion regarding "guest/caretakers quarters" (a term that a previous Land Use Code used), but the allowance of those uses was explicitly removed from the PUD zoning as part of the approval process. We met with some representatives from the HOA a while back and laid out the process they would need to go through for an amendment to the PUD, but haven't heard from them in quite a while. From my perspective, he has the option to go through the PUD Amendment process (a heavy lift for one property owner with no guarantee of approval) or to amend his plans to demonstrate to the Building Dept. that there is no separate dwelling unit on the property. Let me know if I can help with anything else, Patrick Waller, AICP Senior Planner 1 Dave Argo From: Galen Hoover <galen@teaguearch.com> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:24 AM To: Dave Argo Subject: [External] Coryell Ranch Lot 24 permit revisions Attachments: 2020-09-24 Lot 24 REV.1 Partial First Floor Plan.pdf Dave, Thanks for the informative conversation the other day. I have kept the shower in the drawings, as the owner would like to have it for the workout space. Let me know if this acceptable and if you need additional drawings. Feel free to call me on my cell phone 970.618.3819 Thanks for all your help! Thanks, Galen . 0 18I 0.�smoke/CM detector on ceiling l � � N. L HARRY TEAGUE ARCHITECT www harryteaguearchitects com 970 927 4862 ..5-,+raganar_heea 16' — J emove cabinets R7 nd sink August Teague Residence Partial First Floor Plan REV.1 Lot 24, Coryell Ranch Carbondale, CO 9/24/20 Dave Argo From: Dave Argo Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:30 PM To: Patrick Waller Cc: Andy Schwaller (aschwaller@garfield-county.com) Subject: FW: Coryell Ranch Lot 24 permit revisions Attachments: 2020-09-24 Lot 24 REV.1 Partial First Floor Plan.pdf Patrick: Here's the revised plan for August Teague's proposed residence in Coryell Ranch. They took out the kitchen from the ADU shown on opposite side of 1,000 SF garage from main residence, but did not remove the bathing facilities (tub/shower) as I told them that they needed to do, in order to meet GarCo requirements. Can you please let me know where the "No ADUs in Coryell Ranch" requirement stems from? I don't see it as a plat note, so don't know if it's contained in the PUD Guide or not. Also, I have copied Andy in on this to get his take on whether or not they can have the bathing facilities in this renamed "Workout Room" ... soon to be ADU again after C.O. is issued. Again, I will include a big red boxed note that this area cannot be used as a guest quarters/ADU/second dwelling unit as per Coryell Ranch guidelines, but I need to know exactly what legal instrument to cite in this note. Thanks, Dave Argo Original Message From: Galen Hoover <galen@teaguearch.com> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:24 AM To: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Subject: [External] Coryell Ranch Lot 24 permit revisions Dave, Thanks for the informative conversation the other day. I have kept the shower in the drawings, as the owner would like to have it for the workout space. Let me know if this acceptable and if you need additional drawings. Feel free to call me on my cell phone 970.618.3819 Thanks for all your help! Thanks, Galen Dave Argo From: Dave Argo Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:36 AM To: Andy Schwaller (aschwaller@garfield-county.com) Cc: Patrick Waller Subject: Coryell Ranch Lot 24 - ADU Revised Plan Attachments: Teague ADU Floor Plan Revision.pdf Andy: I wanted to run this one past you, as it's a little convoluted, and want to make sure that you and I are on the same page. The attached drawing revision from the Architect shows a minor modification to the layout of an ADU as shown on previously submitted plans — which as you have seen in my correspondence with Patrick Waller is specifically not allowed in Coryell Ranch PUD (due to water source limitations). The revised floor plan now references this totally detached habitable space — it's fully separated from the main residence by a 1,000 S.F. 3 -car garage — as a "Workout Room". The kitchen has been deleted (see clouded area on drawing) but the bathroom still contains a shower/tub even though I had told the Architect that it needed to exclude bathing facilities (our standard line with regard to powder baths as being acceptable). Question is: Does this meet our "straight -face test" for not being an ADU? As discussed with Patrick previously, I believe that we should issue a Condition of Permit that gets recorded into our Laserfische files that an ADU is specifically not allowed, and we can flag it as such with a big bold red boxed note on drawings too. That provides us with coverage should a neighbor complain at some point down the road that the County shouldn't have allowed an "illegal" ADU. But, in addition, should we also require them to remove the bathing facilities as currently shown on this revised plan, which is similar to what we've always required from other property owners in similar situations when ADUs are specifically not allowed? Thanks for your input and assistance — Dave Argo Plans Examiner Garfield County 1 Community Development Department 108 Stn Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com 1 ■ L RRY TEAGUE ARCHITECT: rw.harryrvapuearcmip no. earn 970 927 6862 infoanegoe.iso cem smoke/CM detector on ceiling 14' 2 9i4' - ;; parnove cabtneis "d sink R7k• 91 n August Teague Residence Partial First Floor Plan REV.1 Lot 24, Coryell Ranch Carbondale, CO 9/24/20 Dave Argo From: Andy Schwaller Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:52 AM To: Dave Argo Subject: RE: Coryell Ranch Lot 24 - ADU Revised Plan The shower or bath restriction is limited to an accessory structure as per definition of accessory structure. It would make some sense a workout room would have a shower. I would say redline the No ADU and call it good. From: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:36 AM To: Andy Schwaller <aschwaller@garfield-county.com> Cc: Patrick Waller <pwaller@garfield-county.com> Subject: Coryell Ranch Lot 24 - ADU Revised Plan Andy: I wanted to run this one past you, as it's a little convoluted, and want to make sure that you and I are on the same page. The attached drawing revision from the Architect shows a minor modification to the layout of an ADU as shown on previously submitted plans — which as you have seen in my correspondence with Patrick Waller is specifically not allowed in Coryell Ranch PUD (due to water source limitations). The revised floor plan now references this totally detached habitable space — it's fully separated from the main residence by a 1,000 S.F. 3 -car garage — as a "Workout Room". The kitchen has been deleted (see clouded area on drawing) but the bathroom still contains a shower/tub even though I had told the Architect that it needed to exclude bathing facilities (our standard line with regard to powder baths as being acceptable). Question is: Does this meet our "straight -face test" for not being an ADU? As discussed with Patrick previously, I believe that we should issue a Condition of Permit that gets recorded into our Laserfische files that an ADU is specifically not allowed, and we can flag it as such with a big bold red boxed note on drawings too. That provides us with coverage should a neighbor complain at some point down the road that the County shouldn't have allowed an "illegal" ADU. But, in addition, should we also require them to remove the bathing facilities as currently shown on this revised plan, which is similar to what we've always required from other property owners in similar situations when ADUs are specifically not allowed? Thanks for your input and assistance — Dave Argo Plans Examiner e.:7 Gal, fkk'ld County Community Development Department 108 8m Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Web: garfield-county.com 1 Dave Argo From: Dave Argo Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 3:38 PM To: Galen Hoover Subject: RE: Coryell Ranch Lot 24 Plan Revisions Galen: Just wanted to let you know that I visited with Andy Schwaller today, and we'll be able to accept the amended floor plan layout for a "Work -Out Room" as you recently sent to me via email, including the bathtub/shower as shown. However, as per our prior conversation, the permit will clearly state that a Guest Living Quarters or "Accessory Dwelling Unit" is specifically not allowed within Coryell Ranch. I expect us to be ready for building permit issuance within the next couple of days, and your Contractor should receive a call from Lindsay at our office no later than Wednesday with final balances due & pick-up instructions. Thanks again for your assistance in this matter. Dave Argo Plans Examiner Community Development Department 108 8th Street, Suite 401 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Tel: 970-945-8212 Ext. 1610 Email: dargo@garfield-county.com Original Message From: Galen Hoover <galen@teaguearch.com> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:24 AM To: Dave Argo <dargo@garfield-county.com> Subject: [External] Coryell Ranch Lot 24 permit revisions Dave, Thanks for the informative conversation the other day. I have kept the shower in the drawings, as the owner would like to have it for the workout space. Let me know if this acceptable and if you need additional drawings. Feel free to call me on my cell phone 970.618.3819 Thanks for all your help! Thanks, Galen 1